Hi db! Thanks for sharing this, it's actually a very good debate, contrary to most debates. Even if it seems like this is a hell realm, I don't know whether we have enough information to make a concluding statement on this. Because the real history of this place is buried and we as humans don't know how all of this started. In many cases suffering comes from falling for the traps of ones own ego/mind/false self, all the false ideals, beliefs, thoughts, visions that we have about life. As if there is a real awareness in ones own field of consciousness, and a false one. So it often is an internal fight/struggle with oneself that manifests outside as doing harm to others. Obviously there are other factors and forces at play, but there seems to be a division in the human psyche, that causes internal suffering. Is that a mistake of 'nature' or was it done on purpose, or was it some experiment that went wrong? I don't know. Since I still sometimes, even recently, fall for the traps and illusions of the mind/false self, to me it is one of the most important pursuits to find an answer to. I wish I truly knew the truth about this. All the best, Luke
Yes, I enjoyed the discussion. I am still on the hell realm side or more precisely a soul harvesting realm. In my opinion, there is too much pain inflicted on the innocent, having just entered into this place, they are injected, genitally mutilated, and subject to unnatural lights, smells and sounds. One might say it is the parent's responsibility to protect the child, but they too have been traumatized and indoctrinated into the system. I forgive my parents as they thought they were acting in my best interest.
I am not of the opinion that this place could be a mistake or an experiment gone wrong. My position is that this place is systematically, intricately, and perfectly designed to do what it does....crush and extinguish one's spiritual essence. It projects an illusion of legitimacy through government, police and military, sports, entertainment, and education.
My personal experience is that my life and understanding thrived the more I quarantined myself from this reality. It still attacks me through my physical body, but I will not capitulate.
Wishing all good cheer to you on this Christmas Eve, Luke. My double smoked kielbasi, cabbage, and homemade krupnik is ready to go for my evening meal. Cheers, db
Thanks db! I'm only being sort of on the fence about it, because I notice from myself that if I clear my psyche of all the bs that is there, all the false visions of what life might have been or what it should be, all the false beliefs, etc., then after cleansing my consciousness from that, the things that used to cause me suffering (mental suffering) have no more power, or at least the suffering lessens somewhat. So what I thought about is, what if every human rid himself of all the mental falsehoods, and cleanses their psyche, but at the same time every thing on the external stayed the same, the fraudulent money system, the psychopathic government, the poisoning big pharma, etc., would that still be the same world? To me that internal cleansing, without changing anything on the outside, would still be a huge game changer. But to be completely honest with you, I'm more closer to your position that might come out from my comments. I'm sort of playing the so called 'devil's advocate' with what I wrote above. But also I'm a little afraid to admit, even to myself, that this might actually be a hell realm. I'm still wrestling inside with myself and this idea, but for the reasons that you wrote... yeah, it's hard to deny man. I'm still sometimes in the loop of trying to find 'good' and 'nice' things in life, but I do agree more with you on this than I ever admitted. I also wish you all the best on this Christmas Eve! Have a nice kiełbasa, cabbage, and krupnik and everything else. Cheers, Luke
I propose that none of the pop musicians, actors, celebrities, government officials are what they present as. The kabuki theatre of Joe Rogan, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Peter Frampton, and Barry Manilow is an example of how their hive harvests attention from manKIND. Where did Peter Frampton even come from? I have already posted the bizarre stories of Barry Manilow and Neil Young. I also propose that these entities can never exit the stage...of life. Joni Mitchell at 78 is called upon again to come on stage in this Rogan charade. This is another bizarre one, filled with anger and vengeance even at its elderly age. I found this interview from ten years ago VERY revealing. "I'm a freedom freak." Interesting statement in the context of the current vax-o-mania. In 2010..... Contrarily, during an interview with the LA Times in 2010, the interviewer compared the two of them, which the report claimed that Mitchell fiercely refuted this comparison and stated: “We are like nigh...
I had been sending donations to Ensemble Ptashitsa in Russia for many years. After each of their Youtube livestreams, I would send 20 dollars or so. I always received an email of gratitude from Ivan, the leader of the group. When the Russia Ukraine event started, I got my Paypal account locked and my bank account was locked as well. I was able to get my bank accounts back, but to this day cannot link Paypal to my bank account. I could no longer send donations. Ivan released a statement about not getting deceived by stories in newspapers on Ukraine and Russia, used to divide us. It was a brave statement inferring media fakery. There were ALWAYS many Ukrainians in the livestream chats of Ptashitsa. These illusions of borders and countries could not be clearer. A year after my donations stopped due to this "war", I received a Ptashitsa calendar in the mail from Ivan, signed by the group. He said thanks for ...
Report of multiple 10 - 12 foot aliens / zombies by multiple sources Just woke up to this⬇️ ⚠️ Massive Police mobilization underway in Miami at Bayside marketplace.. Can’t find an update. Anyone??? pic.twitter.com/nqQC9phT8n — eve (@eveforamerica) January 2, 2024 🚨𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐚 𝐨𝐟 𝐌𝐢𝐚𝐦𝐢, 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 Witness claims they saw “creatures” or “Beings” walking at the mall. Black helicopters are now also on the scene. #Bayside pic.twitter.com/IShl4R5RTU — Alphonsus Olieh Jr. (@AlphonsusOlieh) January 2, 2024 Yes they cut the scanners. Multiple people claim they saw 8 to 10 foot aliens or very tall zombies and it caused shoppers panic. There are now black helicopters flying and everything is blocked off. Power has also been cut in a few blocks and at the mall — Alphonsus Olieh Jr. (@AlphonsusOlieh) January 2, 2024 They are claiming the police were responding to a fight among juveniles. Doesn't smell right t...
Hi db!
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing this, it's actually a very good debate, contrary to most debates.
Even if it seems like this is a hell realm, I don't know whether we have enough information to make a concluding statement on this. Because the real history of this place is buried and we as humans don't know how all of this started.
In many cases suffering comes from falling for the traps of ones own ego/mind/false self, all the false ideals, beliefs, thoughts, visions that we have about life. As if there is a real awareness in ones own field of consciousness, and a false one. So it often is an internal fight/struggle with oneself that manifests outside as doing harm to others. Obviously there are other factors and forces at play, but there seems to be a division in the human psyche, that causes internal suffering.
Is that a mistake of 'nature' or was it done on purpose, or was it some experiment that went wrong? I don't know. Since I still sometimes, even recently, fall for the traps and illusions of the mind/false self, to me it is one of the most important pursuits to find an answer to. I wish I truly knew the truth about this.
All the best,
Luke
Hi Luke Thanks for your comment.
DeleteYes, I enjoyed the discussion. I am still on the hell realm side or more precisely a soul harvesting realm. In my opinion, there is too much pain inflicted on the innocent, having just entered into this place, they are injected, genitally mutilated, and subject to unnatural lights, smells and sounds. One might say it is the parent's responsibility to protect the child, but they too have been traumatized and indoctrinated into the system. I forgive my parents as they thought they were acting in my best interest.
I am not of the opinion that this place could be a mistake or an experiment gone wrong. My position is that this place is systematically, intricately, and perfectly designed to do what it does....crush and extinguish one's spiritual essence. It projects an illusion of legitimacy through government, police and military, sports, entertainment, and education.
My personal experience is that my life and understanding thrived the more I quarantined myself from this reality. It still attacks me through my physical body, but I will not capitulate.
Wishing all good cheer to you on this Christmas Eve, Luke. My double smoked kielbasi, cabbage, and homemade krupnik is ready to go for my evening meal. Cheers, db
Thanks db!
DeleteI'm only being sort of on the fence about it, because I notice from myself that if I clear my psyche of all the bs that is there, all the false visions of what life might have been or what it should be, all the false beliefs, etc., then after cleansing my consciousness from that, the things that used to cause me suffering (mental suffering) have no more power, or at least the suffering lessens somewhat. So what I thought about is, what if every human rid himself of all the mental falsehoods, and cleanses their psyche, but at the same time every thing on the external stayed the same, the fraudulent money system, the psychopathic government, the poisoning big pharma, etc., would that still be the same world? To me that internal cleansing, without changing anything on the outside, would still be a huge game changer.
But to be completely honest with you, I'm more closer to your position that might come out from my comments. I'm sort of playing the so called 'devil's advocate' with what I wrote above. But also I'm a little afraid to admit, even to myself, that this might actually be a hell realm. I'm still wrestling inside with myself and this idea, but for the reasons that you wrote... yeah, it's hard to deny man. I'm still sometimes in the loop of trying to find 'good' and 'nice' things in life, but I do agree more with you on this than I ever admitted.
I also wish you all the best on this Christmas Eve! Have a nice kiełbasa, cabbage, and krupnik and everything else.
Cheers,
Luke